Working together, we can ensure our public lands remain strongholds for trout and salmon and a great place to hunt and fish, long into the future. What was proven is that they did not graze that land “legally” until 1954 when they were issued their first Grazing Permit. Obviously not Bundys demographic when it comes to education and communication and sophistication. The series is historical but also interdisciplinary. Outlaw thieving federal government ring leaders are operating an illegal unlawful lands use lease operation. Ah the sweet smell of hypocrisy. Water rights were transferred too, but only to the ranch, not the federally managed land surrounding it. Well, zlouise, atleast you have done a very thorough job of ridiculing those that don’t speak like you–but zi am not certsin, were you attempting to imitate zbundy, or African-Americans or is that just a generic all-encompassing accent to suggest all hicks are ignorant? Communication Director Never mind that more Whites than Blacks receive federal assistance! I will say that you seem to think that if there is no paper document for something then it never existed so I will not waste time discussing allegations that the BLM has not been fair in their efforts to remove ranchers from public lands. Given his past decisions on how to handle the BLM and their policy changes, and now watching him in action, I think it might be that Bundy is simply a man with a low IQ. Fact is – as a taxpayer, you either care about the treatment (or abuse) of public lands/wildlife (and their habitat) by researching organizations trying to make a difference (and support them) or you just sit back and do nothing. I don’t know if many picked up on an earlier post of mine on another thread regarding Court rulings against Bundy. Marc, My personal opinion on the history of U.S. government effort to force assimilation is that it is one of the primary reasons that led to much of the social despair that I believe you are referring to. National forests generally have a mix of maintained trails and roads, wilderness and undeveloped portions, and developed picnic and camping areas. The history of U.S. federal land policy helps explain why so much of the West is public land – that is, land managed by the federal government and its various bureaus. Follow this link if you would like to receive it … The battle is being called Sagebrush II, a sequel to a 1970s movement that sought a state takeover of federal public lands. Black History is something I am fascinated about, Antebellum period in particular and the aspects of slave and the white family’s mis perceptions and callous disregard for their slaves well being, in particular. Your closing sentence suggests a weakness in character not befitting the position you will attain in the world. Astonishingly awful. Does he then ‘capitulate’ and agree to pay when the right person is in office…only to see it sway away again…or does he hold out indefinately for ‘his way’, which is to use land that he DOESN’T OWN? He is a simple-minded organic melon farmer. BLM is not limiting cattle numbers “reluctantly” or only by court order. Until these questions are clearly and specifically answered by an official Federal source our national discurce is entertaining and informative but unfortunately moot. If you enjoyed this article, please consider sharing it! Bundy does not have the right to overgraze the land and the BLM not only has the right but the responsibility to manage the range. This issue, for me, is black and white. Not saying it’s better or worse, but it’s track record isn’t as bad (yet). I expect intelligent people to get more facts before making the accusations that have been made on this thread. I guess the court decision and summary in the US vs hage wouldn’t be “circumstantial” evidence would it? But Bundy used certain words that inflame liberal sensibilities and the NYT knew that and so they printed that specific inflammatory text and by pulling it out of context, they completely changed his meaning. Ah Clutch! Or as the National Journal put it succinctly : ” Cliven Bundy just ruined his cause “. Most of us are fairly assimilated in the current era. The BLM even offered to round up Bundy’s cattle, transport them to an auction facility of Bundy’s choosing and hand him the earnings. The BLM finally got a rational, comprehensive, mission in 1976 with the passage of the “Federal Land Policy and Management Act” (FLPMA, flip ma). 1945). That is fortunate for wilderness enthusiasts like myself; however, the methods used to enforce this paradigm shift have been dishonest and abusive as the federal judge ruling against Hage Sr clearly illustrates to anyone who is keeping an open mind about this subject. …” and so what I’ve testified to ya’, I was in the WATTS riot, I seen the beginning fire and I seen the last fire. Feel free to join the discussion by leaving comments, and stay updated by subscribing to the. It’s particularly relevant in New Mexico, where Catron County ranchers have played a leading role in opposing Federal land ownership along with asserting the right to kill wolves in violation of Federal law. Your comments are always succinct. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. Some tribes have a larger, more well developed programs than do others. I am not the only one angry about that. Parks can also be an area of public land that is used for amusement, enjoyment, and recreation. That is why they need a base ranch. Let’s demand congressional hearings! If you were tasked with enforcing a court order against this guy, would go in without arming yourself? This is close to 650-million acres. Revised March 2018 3 . or kidnapping; and Bundy is being disowned by his followers and discredited by almost everyone else , including some silk tie Republicans. Simply put, the dispute over rangeland health is as much a scientific controversy as it is a collision of land- use values made inevitable by the politicization of western natural resources”. , JB: As the federal government of a growing nation acquired vast chunks of land (e.g., the Louisiana Purchase), it evolved a huge array of laws, policies and institutions for putting the land to use (at least, use by European colonizers). And we need to have those people join us and be with us…. February 2013: After endless complaints from ranchers and hunters, Nevada Republican Gov. Passing needful rules and regulations and ENFORCING THEM, consistent with authority granted under past laws, and their organic law (FLPMA), conducting processes for significant environmentalfederal decisions they make (NEPA), and also conducting business in a way to protect species on BLM lands under the ESA, and to protect water quality (Clean Water Act) and air quality (Clean Air Act – and specifically fugitive dust), and other laws necessary to protect the land they manage (which can include designated Wilderness or National Monuments? The staff writer says it will be updated regularly: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/04/24/rand-paul-and-other-republican-leaders-back-away-from-bundy/, Kind of reminds me of rats abandoning a sinking ship. 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He could have kept his allotmeny and grazed 150 cattle but he chose not to. Bundy then chose to ignore the court orders this entire time, even after making promises that he would remove his cattle. The Grazing Service lasted about a decade. “Twenty years ago, this man sued the state of Montana, trying to get rid of the public’s right to access our rivers and streams. His rural, basic Western speech is also one of the qualities that endeared him to the right and that the left loves to not only ridicule in a superior fashion but that they also don’t seem to understand. Well, I’m not sitting back – in fact, I went to a branding this morning and vaccinated over 200 calves, drank beer with all the multi-generational ranchers and had a fabulous meal afterwards. https://markfiore.com/mark-fiore-blog/cartoons/cliven-bundy-s-home-on-the-range.html. — We were followed by young, armed cowboys for twenty some miles on a lonely road. Should have read: My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley here ever since 1877. One of Mayer’s biggest projects was deciding whether to add another Nevada animal to the endangered species list, the sage grouse. It’s a last ditch effort by some to cloud the issue. Court records show Bundy family cattle didn’t start grazing on that land until 1954.”, That story is here: http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25301551/bundys-ancestral-rights-come-under-scrutiny, The story on his property and water rights are here: Nevada is what— 80 some percent federal land? “They can’t go to church in these communities without having someone say something. I have worked with his demographic directly for 80 or more hours a week for about 30 years. The concept of wilderness areas was legislatively defined by the 1964 Wilderness Act. Link to Article:  http://www.forbes.com/sites/vickeryeckhoff/2014/04/25/federal-grazing-program-in-bundy-dispute-rips-off-taxpayers-wild-horses/, Paula Todd King We’ve progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and sure don’t want to go back; we sure don’t want the colored people to go back to that point; we sure don’t want the Mexican people to go back to that point; and we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way. Absolutely. These conditions are in no way mutually exclusive. Maybe they would not be sold in UT as planned, but off of the range anyway. http://www.8newsnow.com. Just saying Bundy isn;t being picked on his comments reveal the true Bundy. http://thinkprogress.org/media/2014/04/25/3430830/cliven-bundy-mlk/. The majority of public lands in the United States are held in trust for the American people by the federal government and managed by the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), the United States National Park Service, the Bureau of Reclamation, or the Fish and Wildlife Service under the Department of the Interior, or by the United States Forest Service under the Department of Agriculture. Does he run out there and pick and choose which cows he’s gonna run on back to the ranch for sale? Here’s the story on Mr. Bundy’s alleged “ancestral” rights:http://www.8newsnow.com/…/bundys-ancestral-rights-come… Too funny! I had a good hour lecture on that. Bundy must have plenty of shovels because he keeps digging himself into a deeper hole. The General Land Office (GLO) was an independent agency of the United States government responsible for public domain lands in the United States. These lands belong to the native wildlife who were there long before these outlaws. So when does the ‘out of control government’ get reigned in to his satisfaction? This kind of jumping ship is what I hope for someday when people are exposed as predator or wildlife haters, abusers and killers. All these rights that I claim, have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and the water and the access and range improvements.”, Fact: Clark county property records indicate “Cliven Bundy’s parents bought the 160 acre ranch in 1948 from Raoul and Ruth Leavitt. http://www.thewire.com/politics/2014/04/a-list-of-cliven-bundys-supporters-now-that-we-know-hes-a-pro-slavery-racist/361154/. These right-wing “patriots” keep alluding to themselves as keepers of the intentions of the founding fathers, but we already know what George Washington would have done: when the Whiskey Rebellion broke out over the refusal to pay the Whiskey Tax, President Washington mounted a horse, raised an army, and set out to put down the rebellion. I should have said I have faith they will attempt to work on solutions. To meet these obligations, our staff engage in a range of forest land management activities that include sustainable forestry, and land transactions to enhance public access, timber revenue potential and public … The problem with obsession is you mistakenly view all things and all statements through this distorted perception. Bundy, like most Americans, recognizes and has concern for the failings of these public housing developments. It is subservient to business interests and the right wingers intend to keep it that way. Its the only reason I am still wasting time on any of this. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! I have been busy being a parent. I have approached this research first in an attempt to disprove Bundys claims to legitimacy–if I could find studies that supported the BLM actions to limit Bundys AUM’s then I would post them as I have every other relevant data I find. Chandler, editor. The 1785 Ordinance for the public lands northwest of the Ohio provided for their survey and sale in tracts of no less than 640 acres. I’m more inclined to believe that tortoises rely on plants for most of their moisture intake. I was amused by Bundy parading the Stars & Stripes on a flag pole while mounted on his horse – all the while refusing to acknowledge the existence of the United States. Sounds like more snake oil medicine myth, compliments of the Allen Savory groupies. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structure than most of us white people. Clutch your missing the mark on the Wire piece. While designating the parks as public, the conservation was another matter. However, there is still a lot of confusion and a fair amount of it is deliberate. Bundy has been fighting the government for at least 20 years, well before he and I reached our 60s. 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